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Kyle ([personal profile] ushiri) wrote in [community profile] abraxaslogs2024-01-04 12:51 pm

january catch-all

Who: Kyle & folks
When: All throughout January
Where: Thorne, Horizon
What: Catching up with people and plans
Warnings: Opt-out here!
Other: Feel free to PM me if you'd like to set something up!
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-10 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Would they believe you?

[Of course Viktor is going to design the bicycle. And he doesn't, really, care about sending his inventions to Thorne or Solvunn, but then he's not the one who pays the price, for those kinds of transgressions. If Kyle has someone who's interested, then maybe this doesn't need to be handled as delicately as the camera, but Viktor has stopped being optimistic, when it comes to Thorne.]

I'd like to do this for you. But I don't want to put you in danger.
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-10 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
I'll keep it as simple as possible.

[No motors, no flashy attachments or accessories, nothing that could be construed as distinctly of the Free Cities. He thinks he might even have to forego rubber tires and let the Thornean mages enchant the wheels as they see fit. Maybe that will give them greater ownership of it--be less threatened by what is clearly a piece of technology.

There's some guilt, maybe, in Kyle's request. An attempt to get Viktor back on track, maybe, but an apology, too.
]

You can always ask for things. [If Viktor doesn't want to do it, he has no problem saying no--but he wants to keep busy, and he enjoys being something of an expert opinion among the Summoned, at least in these matters. There is a part of him, too, that equates his own worth with the things he can build for other people. Of course he wants to take this on.

And, if his work keeps giving Kyle an excuse to come see him, well. He thinks he enjoys that, too.
] I like the work.
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-10 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Then we're both making up for lost time.

[He wants to ask outright why that was the case, but he knows that might push too far--and Kyle hadn't asked Viktor to elaborate in turn, so maybe this is a boundary that needs to remain where it is, for now. It must have something to do with his religious upbringing and the duties he feels beholden to, but despite the fact that he finds himself wanting to ask, and to know, he's kept Kyle long enough. He's here to see the automaton, and Viktor should oblige him.

With one more adjustment of the chalkboard, pulling it a bit further along the track, Viktor takes his place in front of it, as if he's about to give a presentation, or teach a class.
]

Do you have anything like this, where you're from? Automatons?

[He's asked before, he's certain, but Kyle's answer will provide a helpful frame of reference, and will inform where he begins.]
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-11 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
We don't have them either, not really. This would be a new area of study.

[A fully independent, artificially intelligent robot that is. Something different than the steam-powered constructs that have fallen into disuse in Zaun. He thinks, again, of Tony, and the things Viktor saw in his Horizon. Machines that are given a set of parameters and then think for themselves.

He gestures to the notes on the board, which include a diagram of the automaton itself. Viktor will conjure up the "real" thing in a moment--he just wants to provide some context, first.
]

And what we've developed here isn't true artificial intelligence, not yet. Right now the system is reliant on a particular spell that seems to take simple direction and perform tasks. By binding this spell to a mechanical chassis, we've greatly increased the capacity of what it can do, while...making it an entity of its own, essentially.
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-12 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
[Viktor seems surprised at the mention of a soul, because he's not even certain he could accomplish such a thing. And that would, he imagines, open up a whole new slate of ethical quandaries--ones he's interested in thinking about, but doesn't necessarily feel the need to tackle just yet.

Unless Kyle makes him, of course.
]

This work is a long way from producing true sentience.

[So, not something he's worried about in the short term, though as always he can't help but think about the Hexcore, and the way it called out to him. What that means, for the things he's building now. If he might tap into something deep and unknowable, once again.]

Right now, the idea is for it to function under certain sets of parameters. Enough to exercise some measure of independence, when it comes to carrying out predetermined sets of tasks.
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-12 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
[He likes to think, that if the automaton ever displayed any indication that it was sentient, Viktor would offer it freedom. A choice, to decide what it wanted to do with its life. Until then, he's not sure he could accomplish such a thing--but wouldn't it be a wonder, if he could?

Finally, Viktor leaves the chalkboard in order to bring out the chassis from some sort of imagined back area (he supposes he could just conjure it into place, but he likes the feeling of being in a real lab). It's lifeless, for now, but this will give Kyle a chance to examine it.
]

In the Undercity, the human casualty from mining and factory work is immense. An automaton can handle hazardous materials, operate in toxic environments, perform tasks with an outsized chance of injuring or killing human workers...this would save lives.
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-12 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Hilda said it should look friendly. [Which Viktor agreed with, ultimately.] I needed it to be large and sturdy enough to carry out its designated operations, but it shouldn't frighten anyone.

[He can't hope to integrate the automatons with human workers if the human workers are unsettled or otherwise reluctant to interact with them. Viktor already knows he's facing an uphill battle, given the anxieties of the miners about being replaced. He doesn't want to give them even more reason to fear what he's doing.

That said, the trajectory from Viktor's own past--even knowing little of it, as Kyle does--to the automaton is probably obvious. Viktor doesn't want what happened to him to happen to anyone else, if he can help it. He offers a small nod.
]

I couldn't work in the mines. [Too much of a liability, even in a place that cares little for its workers. He shrugs, trying to make the admittance more casual--he's never spoken about his congenital ailments, really, just the damage done to him over time.] I was able enough for the factories. But even if that wasn't the case, the toxic nature of the Undercity is inescapable, regardless. I spent more than half my life in that place.

[With the poison accumulating slowly, over many years, until nothing could be done for him.]
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-13 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
But they do save it.

[He says that a bit cheekily. He's heard as much about this from Tony, who might actually be a real-life example of robots going wrong. Viktor, however, believes in himself and in his work, and knows that the addition of magic can accomplish what technology alone cannot. He'll make sure things are different, this time.

Now it's Viktor who is ready to proceed with activating the automaton, only to be waylaid by Kyle's further questions about the Undercity. He can't blame him, not really, but the comment gives him pause.
]

There are those in the Undercity who would take advantage of the destitute just as Piltover has. [Zaun contends both with Piltover's oppression and those within its own borders who relish their own kind of control.] But yes, there were uprisings, the last of which occurred when I was a teenager. They never succeeded, and they were never worth the cost.

[Though Viktor might say that about any violent action resulting in loss of life. Having seen what happened to those who tried to cross the bridge, he'd decided then that the best way to enact change would be from the top down--which of course came with its own set of problems. Now, with the cities on the verge of civil war, he's not sure he'll ever find the right answer.]
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you'll just have to thread with me forever ig

[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-13 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
At least this was over quickly.

[Which is a foolish thing to say, because a choice between a revolution of attrition and a bloody uprising that's squashed before it has a chance to begin is not much of a choice. After the ill-fated fight on the bridge, some kind of tenuous peace was achieved, but all that really meant was that everything were left to simmer. Things got better for some, but worse for almost everyone else. Even Jayce's tenuous, last-ditch proposal for the Undercity's independence seemed futile, if all that meant was handing over Zaun to Chem-baron thugs like Silco. All he's ever known of his own city is cycles of violence.

He knows he feels differently, not having lived those last few days and only hearing about them secondhand. Maybe it really is the only way to make things right.
]

I didn't participate. [But that's not what Kyle means. He supposes it all loops back to the beginning of this conversation, where Viktor admitted to not having many human friends, though of course he knew many of the people who were killed.] I left not long after.

[It's not lost on him, that he was lucky to get out when he did. Then again, his admission to the Academy was unconventional.]
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-13 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Things very rarely turn out the way we want.

[There's sympathy in his voice, because he's sure Kyle understands. Viktor has spoken about his attempts to bring Hextech to the Undercity--how the Council was uninterested in things like water purifiers or air scrubbers, so they'd tried mining tools and even that was deemed too dangerous. At the time, he'd written it off to Heimerdinger's particular brand of conservatism, when it came to their work, but now he understands that it was at least partially a fear of putting the Undercity on equal footing.

Without that, there will never be true independence, not for anyone. Maybe it's the same where Kyle comes from, though Viktor cannot imagine abandoning Zaun. Even his life here is temporary. He'll return, eventually, and he'll use what he knows to help people, whether the Council wants him to or not.

And he can contribute to this place in the meantime. Viktor's silent for a moment, before he seems to decide that, despite all of this conversation, he should do what Kyle came here for.
]

Would you like to meet it?

[The automaton.]
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-14 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
[Viktor smiles at that, a small thing, but sincere nonetheless. There's still a great deal left unsaid, not only with regards to this topic of discussion, but other things to--and as always, it's easier to brush it all aside and focus on the work.

This is not quite what's true in the real world, but there was no real expectation of that, given how the Horizon functions. Without Hilda here, the automaton will act the way Viktor envisions it might in the future, as its own independent entity. When he wills it so, the power core in the machine's chest flickers to life, followed quickly by the eyes. Its metal joints creak as it groans to life, straightening where it stands.

For a moment it seems to register its surroundings, Kyle included, and then hesitantly offers a jerky little wave.
]

Go ahead. It's safe.

[If Kyle wants to get closer, or otherwise interact. Of course it's safe, because this is the Horizon, but he's proud to say that it's safe in real life, too.]
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[personal profile] techmaturgy 2024-01-14 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
[Despite the size of the automaton and the slightly clunky start-up, once it's "awake" the movements are surprisingly fluid--Viktor is particularly proud of his articulation system. To demonstrate, it offers a handshake, and if Kyle obliges he'll find that the touch is surprisingly refined. Almost gentle.]

Hilda calls it "Perry"--but that's the name she has for the spell.

[The thing that's currently piloting the machine. Viktor has greater aspirations, and it's slightly unfair to keep taking advantage of Hilda, in this way. Right now, she needs to be present and actively casting the spell if they want "Perry", such as it is, to operate.]

I suppose when it's fully independent, it will need a new name.

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